SDAST Chat Meeting #90: Wednesday 28th April 2004 PARTICIPANTS: Jerome Chenevez, Carol Anne Oxborrow, Niels Joergen Westergaard, Silvia Matínez-Nuñez, Sami Maisala SUBJECTS DISCUSSED: Action Items: very little activity here, also because the major would-be contributors were not present. Some new due dates. Error codes for shared functions were postponed for discussion until Peter can join us OSA 4.0 Status: CAO and NJW hope to finish their deliveries within the next couple of weeks. Science results anomalies: CAO encouraged people to make use of the anomalies tracking webpage: http://www.dsri.dk/~oxborrow/sdast/analysis_anomalies.html It was agreed that users should be encouraged to submit their problems to us SEE Action Item (below) For SDAST Meeting Agenda: Add instrument status by SB and NL Paul Connell will talk about imaging and vignetting simulations ISDC rotation should also be discusssed There will be two extra days for people involved to discuss imaging and spectral extraction Sami will show us what background handling can do for imaging and maybe Stefan will do the same for spectral extraction and background corrections. Any Other Business: Silvia needs input for her thesis: dead time evolution, images and IMOD evolution ACTION ITEMS AI040428_1 CAO 5th May 2004 Get in contact with ISDC helpdesk and form OPEN a tighter collaboration with them for discovering and and tracking analysis result anomalies **** Logging Started : Wed Apr 28 10:59:19 MEST 2004 > Hello Jerome! END > Hello NJW! Let's hope we don't just end up talking to ourselves! Stefan can't Hello Jerome and Carol Anne! END > make it. Let's hope Peter and Sami can. Silvia's too busy with her thesis to > participate. END Peter has one hour, I believe END Is Sami at ISDC right now ? END *** silvia (~silvia@uhuru.dsri.dk) has joined channel #jemxadr Hej everyone ! And sorry for the delay ! END Hello Silvia END Hej Niels Joergen ! > I've just had a phone call from Peter - he can't make it. Hi Silvia, I thought > you'd be too busy waging your `awesome battle' against the thesis to take Hi Silvia! Good you could join us. END > part. Paul told us about the battle.....END > Shall we get started with the AI's while we wait for Sami? END Yes, I am very busy ! The chat is a goog opportunity to remember all of you somethings I need :-) goog=good I can start with my AIs, since I'm afraid I have done very little in that respect. AI040303_4 is being fulfilled this moment. I'm preparing a new IMOD delivery with updated CORX/Y arrays. AI_MMM_3 is an itme for the, now much extended SDAST meeting. That's all, except a good intention of having some * njw input for the SDAST meeting. END > I'll call the IMOD one closed, as of today. Do you have any REALISTIC new due > dates? END With OSA4 looming let's say 3 weeks from now END > Okay, 19th May for all yours. > Silvia and Jerome don't have any significant AIs, so we'll skip them. > I have one open AI, on deadtime verification, which should get done in time > for OSA4.0 freeze, so let's give that a new due date: 10th May. > Any commments on AIs? END N N N > Okay, next point on the agenda: about the error codes for our future vapour > ware. I've assigned in jemx.h code ranges for the functions so far suggested > so each developper would have their own range of numbers to use. > Peter, however, wants ranges and numbers for particular TYPES of problems that > are common to all the functions. I've argued against his idea, primarily > because then the various developpers will have to know which numbers to Perhaps we should postpone this part till Peter is present. It is too easy to > use for which errors, and past experience indicates that developpers aren't shoot down his proposal when he is not here END > too good at this. Please at least think about it. From my side either is fine. > But from the developper's side you are going to need to consult the jemx.h > when you write your code. Think about which you prefer. END (but in principle I agree with you, Carol Anne, I don't see Peter's proposal * njw as particularly helpful): END > Well, please think about it. Any other comments? END N N N > Next: Plans for OSA 4.0 and status for software freeze > I'll go first: I hope to deliver a new j_cor_gain next week, and j_cor_position > the week after that. This will clear up all the open SPR's SCREWs on my OSA > components. There are still some minor SPRs and SCREWs on stuff that comes > before OSA, in the Rev.File and SCW Pipelines, but they're not at all critical. > So basically, I hope `beginning of May' means somewhere arouond the first week.END > NJW how's your status? I'm working on the new executable j_ima_fine_resol that I hope to deliver next week. It compiles now but I still need to have the proper framework e.g. an IMOD-GRP update. There won't be much time next week, though, but I have to find some time. END > Okay, Silvia, are you involved with the OSA freeze at all? END No, at all. But I know that Peter is working - he has already deliveried new versions to have standalone components for each level END > So let's move on to the next point: > Science results anomalies (spectral steps etc.) > I have 3 little anomalies sitting on my anomalies homepage. If we're to track > these problems properly, we need people to come forward with dodby results > and let them be tracked. So this point is really just a reminder for everyone > to keep in touch with me and use the webpage: > http://www.dsri.dk/~oxborrow/sdast/analysis_anomalies.html > If you know people who are dissatisfied with their JEM-X analysis results, > I suggest that you get them to send us a sample of their data and results > so that we can try and find out what's wrong. Any comments? END Regarding anomaly number 1, Pere and Choni will send me a report at the end of the week. I That suppose that people are willing to give a piece of their data and results... END I had some discussion with Stefan some weeks ago but I am afraid we will need to discuss a bit more END > Good point Jerome! My impression at the ISDC Consortium meeting was that people > were willing to nod their heads seriously whenever anyone said how bad the > JEM-X analysis results were, but none of them were willing to give specific > details. Any other comments? END *** smaisala (~smaisala@gemini.astro.helsinki.fi) has joined channel #jemxadr > Hi Sami! How are you? We're discussing analysis result anomalies. END Hi all. Sorry I'm really late. END Better late than never :-) END No more comments. Hi Sami ! END > Any more thoughts on how to track and indeed discover where people are having > poor results? END How about an error message saying: "if you get any problems, please send an email to jemx@dsri.dk"? > That's a start! Any more comments? END The current procedure is that the users should send the errors message to the ISDC help e-mail and the ISDC people should inform to the SDAST team. END > We don't seem to get informed very often. I've only once been asked a question > by Masha about a jemx query from a user. END Well, perhaps we should send a signal to the ISDC help people (Pascal, Masha ...) But are people awre about "the current procedure"? END to forward these questions to us END awre = aware ! Yes, thery are ! END > Yes, we should let them know that we welcome anomalies and would like to help I am not so sure Silvia. END > solve them. Any more suggestions? AI on CAO to get on to the ISDC helpdesk > people and form a better collaboration. END But I am afraid the questions are more related with problems with the pipeline that with anomalies of the scientific results END And therefore Peter answers nearly all of them. END Yes, I think you are right. By people, I meant the users lambda. END > Yes, I agree, but at least it would be a start.END > Any more comments? END N N N n > Okay, last point: Agenda items for SDAST meeting in Copenhagen (ALL) > Soeren reminded me on Monday that I'd forgotten the Instrument Status part, > which is true. So that will be part of the first afternoon. Imaging and > spectral analysis will take up some time, but a fuller coverage of these > items should be happening on Wednesday and Thursday. My ADD bit will be > extended to cover documentation and webpages in general. Any other suggestions? > END I will ask Paul Connell if he wants to give a short talk on his JEMXIROS tool. He has done a very nice simulations of the vignetting problem. END > He's already on the agenda, I think. END Sorry Carol Anne - I have not check carefully it since I will not attend ...END > But I'll extend the item description to `Imaging and Vignetting Simulations' > Any more ideas? END N n N > Jerome suggestions we move supper to 19.00, and I agree. Is `Fiasco' okay > with everyone, or should I find somewhere cheaper, or closer to the Institute? > END I have no experience of the famous Fiasco - so I'd like to test it! END I'm afraid that I can't participate, so I have no vote END > Okay, I'll take that as a `yes' for Fiasco. END > Okay, Any Other Business. END > anything else, anyone? END N Yes please, only one. Just a reminder for some of you TO CAO: please I need the dead time evolution information. TO NJW: do not forget the images I asked and what about the IMOD information to create the IMOD evolution table ? END > Sorry Silvia, I forgot about that. What do you need? I'll take a look at it > after I've delivered j_cor_gain - unfortunately I don't have any time before > then. END ad 1: I won't, ad 2: I'll see what I can dig up END I can send you again the e-mail regarding the DEAD issue. END Mange tak Niels Joergen END > That's okay, Silvia, I still have the email - I jsut haven't had time to go > through them again recently. > Also, Sami, I should warn you that on the agenda I've put the items To CAO: do not be in a hurry. The Thesis will not be ready until June or July, but I will like to close the software part as soons as possible. END > 10.50 Imaging with background correction (SM, NJW) > 14.00 Source extraction with background correction (SM, SL) TO ALL: Thanks for your help. END > I think we really would like to see what your background handling can do > so could you and the imaging/ spectral extraction gurus prepare some results > with and with out background handlling so that we can see what the effect is? > END Sami, will you follow the travelling plan that you sketched last week ? END Ok I will make some imaging results but I have no idea how Stefans spectral software works with background. END I made a discussion with Jerome and I'm not going to the ISDC but I will stay at Copenhagen couple of extra days. END > I'll get on to him and see if he can do some analyses to show us. END > That's good Sami, then we can get background handling dealt with in both the > imaging and the spectral extraction - it's good that you know what they're > doint there. END That reminds me a little item for the SDAST meeting: Rotation at ISDC! (5mn) END > Any more AOB? I assume that you'll be leading the two extra days of talks Yes, I agree that. END > NJW because I'll be busy delivering j_cor_gain, and neither of those > subjects have anything to do with me. END > Okay, any more comments, or can we end here? END That is lunch time, anyway... END Hace a nice meeting.I will miss to be there ... See you soon. END > Have a good lunch everyone - see most of you on Monday. Good luck with the > `awesome battle' Silvia! END Thanks Carol Anne ! END *** silvia has left channel #jemxadr : (silvia) Good bye! *** jerome has left channel #jemxadr : (END) See you on Monday. BYE Bye END *** njw has left channel #jemxadr : (njw) *** Signoff: smaisala (Leaving)